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		<title>By: Existence is not what I thought it was &#171; Intentional Objects</title>
		<link>http://philosophicatheologica.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/noneism-is-not-allism/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Existence is not what I thought it was &#171; Intentional Objects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few posts back I wrote on Lewis&#8217; critique of Routley&#8217;s noneism and defended the latter. This post was successfully submitted to the Philosophy Carnival before last and a short comment exchange subsequently ensued. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few posts back I wrote on Lewis&#8217; critique of Routley&#8217;s noneism and defended the latter. This post was successfully submitted to the Philosophy Carnival before last and a short comment exchange subsequently ensued. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Caret</title>
		<link>http://philosophicatheologica.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/noneism-is-not-allism/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Caret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m unconvinced that anyone is concerned about maintaining the property of existence... or what that means!  It seems that if your interest is that you should exist rather than not, then you are probably worried about just what I pointed to: that you should be a member of the actual world rather than &#039;reduced&#039; to a mere possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m unconvinced that anyone is concerned about maintaining the property of existence&#8230; or what that means!  It seems that if your interest is that you should exist rather than not, then you are probably worried about just what I pointed to: that you should be a member of the actual world rather than &#8216;reduced&#8217; to a mere possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: davidgawthorne</title>
		<link>http://philosophicatheologica.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/noneism-is-not-allism/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>davidgawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay,

I see what you mean about all possible things existing on your account.

I then move to,

“My concern about non-existence is not fully captured by a supposed fear of inter-world travel”

When I worry about whether or not will I exist (worry A) I do not worry that I will cease to be positioned in this world (worry B).

My not being positioned in this world does not entail that I am not positioned in any world.

While I may prefer this world to other worlds (all my stuff and friends are here) it would still calm my fear to know that I will be positioned in some world. Worry A is more accurately the fear that I will not be in any place/world.

To this you may reply that it is an irrational fear because I will remain possible, and so will always be in some world (maybe you will appeal to counter-parts for this). Yet, this reply would miss the mark precisely because worry A is not that I will cease to be in a domain of quantification, but that in any given domain I shall lack the property of existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay,</p>
<p>I see what you mean about all possible things existing on your account.</p>
<p>I then move to,</p>
<p>“My concern about non-existence is not fully captured by a supposed fear of inter-world travel”</p>
<p>When I worry about whether or not will I exist (worry A) I do not worry that I will cease to be positioned in this world (worry B).</p>
<p>My not being positioned in this world does not entail that I am not positioned in any world.</p>
<p>While I may prefer this world to other worlds (all my stuff and friends are here) it would still calm my fear to know that I will be positioned in some world. Worry A is more accurately the fear that I will not be in any place/world.</p>
<p>To this you may reply that it is an irrational fear because I will remain possible, and so will always be in some world (maybe you will appeal to counter-parts for this). Yet, this reply would miss the mark precisely because worry A is not that I will cease to be in a domain of quantification, but that in any given domain I shall lack the property of existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Caret</title>
		<link>http://philosophicatheologica.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/noneism-is-not-allism/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Caret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there are many things that are coherent but which do not exist&quot;

Well, be careful here... are there coherent things which are not even possibilia?  If all coherent things are possible, then these things exist on my suggested account.  My suggestion is that the worry you point to is not one about existence at all, but one about what &#039;actually exist&#039; vs. &#039;merely possibly exist&#039;.

&quot;My concern about non-existence is not fully captured by a supposed fear of inter-world travel&quot;

I&#039;m not sure what you are getting at here.  Could you say more about your feat of non-existence, maybe that will clarify for me the force of the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there are many things that are coherent but which do not exist&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, be careful here&#8230; are there coherent things which are not even possibilia?  If all coherent things are possible, then these things exist on my suggested account.  My suggestion is that the worry you point to is not one about existence at all, but one about what &#8216;actually exist&#8217; vs. &#8216;merely possibly exist&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8220;My concern about non-existence is not fully captured by a supposed fear of inter-world travel&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you are getting at here.  Could you say more about your feat of non-existence, maybe that will clarify for me the force of the point.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gawthorne</title>
		<link>http://philosophicatheologica.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/noneism-is-not-allism/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,

Thank you for the comment. You make some good points. I reply as follows:

1. I do worry about whether or not square circles exist because dialetheism makes me uncomfortable.

2. My understanding of Lewis&#039; modal realism is that the actual world is determined indexically - i.e. the actual world is this world.

It would then seem to follow that I exist in the actual world necessarily if only I am possible and existence is synonymous with actuality. Yet, there are many things that are coherent but which do not exist. 

There may be an ambuiguity here between &#039;actual world&#039; at the time I am considering future possibilities, and &#039;actual world&#039; at the future time. However, the point remains that the thing that I am truly concerned about is not equivalent to concern about which world I will occupy. My concern about non-existence is not fully captured by a supposed fear of inter-world travel.

If, as against this, we try to give the actual world some ontological priority over other merely possible worlds then I would say that we are then merely hypothesizing that all things with the property of existence are to be found in the actual world, and all other worlds and their contents do not exist. That would be fine by me. It would imply nothing more than that we define the actual world as the set of all existing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>Thank you for the comment. You make some good points. I reply as follows:</p>
<p>1. I do worry about whether or not square circles exist because dialetheism makes me uncomfortable.</p>
<p>2. My understanding of Lewis&#8217; modal realism is that the actual world is determined indexically &#8211; i.e. the actual world is this world.</p>
<p>It would then seem to follow that I exist in the actual world necessarily if only I am possible and existence is synonymous with actuality. Yet, there are many things that are coherent but which do not exist. </p>
<p>There may be an ambuiguity here between &#8216;actual world&#8217; at the time I am considering future possibilities, and &#8216;actual world&#8217; at the future time. However, the point remains that the thing that I am truly concerned about is not equivalent to concern about which world I will occupy. My concern about non-existence is not fully captured by a supposed fear of inter-world travel.</p>
<p>If, as against this, we try to give the actual world some ontological priority over other merely possible worlds then I would say that we are then merely hypothesizing that all things with the property of existence are to be found in the actual world, and all other worlds and their contents do not exist. That would be fine by me. It would imply nothing more than that we define the actual world as the set of all existing things.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Caret</title>
		<link>http://philosophicatheologica.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/noneism-is-not-allism/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Caret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I wonder if your use of &#039;worlds&#039; belies the real issue underlying the noneist position.  Sure it matters what things exist &lt;em&gt;of the things that can exist&lt;/em&gt;, but it is (seemingly) pointless to worry about, e.g. whether or not any square circles exist.  Perhaps we have quantifiers that range over possibilia and an &#039;actually&#039; operator that restricts us to the actual world, and our worries or debates about what exist are really worries/debates about which possibilia fall within the scope of the &#039;actually&#039; operator.  Now that might be noneism, but it is also a view that I think Lewis would be happy with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I wonder if your use of &#8216;worlds&#8217; belies the real issue underlying the noneist position.  Sure it matters what things exist <em>of the things that can exist</em>, but it is (seemingly) pointless to worry about, e.g. whether or not any square circles exist.  Perhaps we have quantifiers that range over possibilia and an &#8216;actually&#8217; operator that restricts us to the actual world, and our worries or debates about what exist are really worries/debates about which possibilia fall within the scope of the &#8216;actually&#8217; operator.  Now that might be noneism, but it is also a view that I think Lewis would be happy with.</p>
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